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1 Michael Orion Powell  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:49:20am
The region imported over ten times as many slaves as the United States, and kept them in bondage far longer.

Could that be a contributing factor to why race relations never exploded in South America? The United States had a pretty epic confrontation over slavery that added all sorts of forms of resentment.

2 andres  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:51:23am

There's prejudice, have no doubt about it. But it's not of the "huge burning crosses" variety we see in the USA.

There's also some historical clues as why the stark difference between both cultures' prejudice: in the US, it required a Civil War to end, while in Spaniard colonies, slavery ended with a whimper[1].


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_Puerto_Rico#Abolition_of_Slavery

3 Michael Orion Powell  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:53:48am

re: #2 andres

There's prejudice, have no doubt about it. But it's not of the "huge burning crosses" variety we see in the USA.

There's also some historical clues as why the stark difference between both cultures' prejudice: in the US, it required a Civil War to end, while in Spaniard colonies, slavery ended with a whimper[1].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_t o_Puerto_Rico#Abolition_of_Slavery

Ha man that is complicated.

4 andres  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 11:58:42am

re: #1 OrionXP

Could that be a contributing factor to why race relations never exploded in South America? The United States had a pretty epic confrontation over slavery that added all sorts of forms of resentment.

There's also the factor that by this point of History, Spain wasn't the white country the rest of Europe was. Spain was conquered by Muslim Moors from North Africa, and it took Spain over 700 years to regain their sovereignty.

re: #3 OrionXP

It is. :)

5 cat-tikvah  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 12:10:19pm

I'm not sure that the indios who were conquered by the Spaniards have ever felt either equal to their conquerors. As I understand, they're still pretty far down the scale sociologically and economically.

6 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:39:47pm

re: #1 OrionXP

Could that be a contributing factor to why race relations never exploded in South America? The United States had a pretty epic confrontation over slavery that added all sorts of forms of resentment.

The confrontation was no doubt the same, but eventually there was more intermarriage because of the large African and indigenous populations. That's my guess.

7 What, me worry?  Tue, Apr 19, 2011 7:44:25pm

re: #4 andres

There's also the factor that by this point of History, Spain wasn't the white country the rest of Europe was. Spain was conquered by Muslim Moors from North Africa, and it took Spain over 700 years to regain their sovereignty

Don't you mean the "moops"? :>

Anyway, good points.

8 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 20, 2011 1:09:02pm
Their history of slavery is not unlike ours, but what is different is that there is very little prejudice and bigotry between races in these nations.

Not so. Andres above disagrees, and so does Dr. Gates, who says in the Q & A on this series:

...And in each of these countries there is a political campaign against racism, for affirmative action, and for their right to exist where they don’t as census categories. For example, in Mexico and Peru, they are fighting for the right to be identified as black. As in France, many people in these countries thought that if you put that social identity in the census that it reinforces racism. But doing that also prevents people from organizing around race when they are discriminated by race. It’s a paradox. And it’s fascinating to see what is similar and dissimilar in each of these countries.

One of my brothers lives in Bogota. Before he moved there, when he was doing a one-year teaching stint, he was at a party, and asked a man there why the coastal areas of Colombia (which are the predominantly black areas) were so much poorer and less developed than the rest of the country. The man said, "The people there are just backwards. There's nothing that can be done for them." My brother said, "There are people in my country who feel that way about your whole country. In fact, your whole continent."

There's an essay about Colombian and other Afro-descendants linked on the second page of the link at the top. Good read.

I don't have a TV, so I won't be watching the series. Looks fascinating. I learn a little on the topic when I listen to Afropop Worldwide. Good radio!


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